tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post5731776387020599663..comments2024-02-14T16:00:53.606+01:00Comments on Science Fiction Observer: Dune: Did Frank Herbert grok Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian?Развигорhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11279352337204009526noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-11760924283103908822024-02-14T16:00:53.606+01:002024-02-14T16:00:53.606+01:00In his time that particular languge was called ser...In his time that particular languge was called serbo-croatian, before that it was called serbian. There was no bosnian and "bosnian" filology is thus still underdeveloped. The language itself was invented during bosnian war in the 90ies. So he couldn't have had it in his mind at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-71156477341245115942021-10-30T21:01:56.274+01:002021-10-30T21:01:56.274+01:00It wasn't translated, of course, because it...It wasn't translated, of course, because it's in Serbian. There is just a note from the translator explaining what's in the originalMilanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08869254518719004730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-59084420453706526332015-12-13T12:05:54.886+01:002015-12-13T12:05:54.886+01:00And women in Serbian society have very strong posi...And women in Serbian society have very strong position. In deed, very often, after a death of a father in a war or a rebellion against occupier, a mother would become a patriarch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-38189009837590407922015-12-13T11:56:55.401+01:002015-12-13T11:56:55.401+01:00Serbest in Turkish means free man. Serbia was one ...Serbest in Turkish means free man. Serbia was one of the first countries to abolish slavery and feudalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-28826374048113673412011-08-21T00:10:23.155+01:002011-08-21T00:10:23.155+01:00I have all the Dune books in Serbian. I checked th...I have all the Dune books in Serbian. I checked this part and it is translated exactly as it appears in the English version.<br /><br />The Serbian translator made no attempt to fix Jessica's/Herbert's mistake... if it was a mistake. :)Теоретичарот (Иван М.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08023558939093414966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-76587666882766600372011-04-20T12:00:35.869+01:002011-04-20T12:00:35.869+01:00Thanks Ryan. I will investigate about (non)transla...Thanks Ryan. I will investigate about (non)translation of Dune in Arabic. Seems like a very interesting topic on its own right.Развигорhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279352337204009526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-14927067167503485572011-04-19T18:19:22.106+01:002011-04-19T18:19:22.106+01:00Also, I stumbled on this forum looking for an Arab...Also, I stumbled on this forum looking for an Arabic translation of Dune, but I can't find one. Is there a political reason it hasn't been translated, or is it just that there are so many Arabic words in it that keeping the translated vs. original words straight would be difficult?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765609009222414952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-46141779828991673762011-04-19T18:17:13.350+01:002011-04-19T18:17:13.350+01:00It could be a combination of 2 and 3: Herbert expe...It could be a combination of 2 and 3: Herbert expected languages to change over time, so when writing in Fremen he played fast and loose with root language meanings, neither wanting nor expecting it to come out perfect.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765609009222414952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-43867676171730770152010-05-06T17:15:38.804+01:002010-05-06T17:15:38.804+01:00Hey! Nice article.
I was actually dissapointed wh...Hey! Nice article. <br />I was actually dissapointed when I found out Herbert didn't create his own language but used words and elements from existent languages on Earth today.(I was only 11 when I read the book for the first time so you can imagine it burst my bubble to find out it's not perfect years later). <br />Frankly, I doubt Jessica made a mistake in her translation. It wouldn't really make sense, would it? I think Herbert got his Slavic language wrong. You know how English native speakers are with Slavic languages. A real headache. I said the word Rusalka maybe 100 times to someone and then saw that he wrote it Rusulka. And he couldn't guess what the plural was either.Just us - Just mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533449773903491222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-78182954171607453412010-03-18T09:16:04.343+01:002010-03-18T09:16:04.343+01:00SandChigger: thank you for your valuable contribut...SandChigger: thank you for your valuable contribution. I'll post my full response in a future 'official' post.Развигорhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279352337204009526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-14574734021642951312010-03-12T10:42:51.671+01:002010-03-12T10:42:51.671+01:00A user with the monicker of Miss Kazan posted abou...A user with the monicker of Miss Kazan posted about this last year on the DuneNovels forums:<br /><br /><a href="http://forum.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3020" rel="nofollow">"Where did Frank get his Serbian from?"</a><br /><br />She called it a "mistranslation" as well. It's not.<br /><br />The language is Chakobsa (not Fremen, which is future Arabic), and it's a historical accident that it so resembles modern Terran Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian in form & meaning. Convergent linguistic evolution, nothing more.<br /><br />No, I'm not one of those who thinks Herbert was infallible. (Unless we're talking about his books in comparison with the McDune crap squeezed out over the last decade by Number One Son with hack Kevin J. Anderson, in which case, yes, he was a literary god.)<br /><br />Here's what I think happened. Herbert wanted something exotic-looking and fairly unfamiliar for the Chakobsa, but he didn't want to put the effort into developing a whole new language. He wasn't J.R.R. Tolkien, after all. (Just as his son is certainly no Christopher Tolkien!) So, he just looked around on his shelves and ... grabbed the lines from a book on Serbian. He was being lazy, plain and simple. And while the detail of there being an exotic language involved was important, the details <b>of</b> that language weren't.<br /><br />The real, Serbian meaning wasn't important, because once he used it, it became Chakobsa, not Serbian.<br /><br />(Unrelated nitpicks: the gom jabbar tests real humans from animals; it's not really about the elite vs the "rabble". And it's 10,191 A.G., not A.D. It's 21,000 or more years in the future. But don't feel bad, if you have a look at that thread I linked to above, you'll see that even Frank Herbert's grandson can't keep the chronology straight.)SandChiggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07480048216010678263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8922979485459232837.post-84387888503646857562010-02-28T15:44:26.854+01:002010-02-28T15:44:26.854+01:00Please write if you happen to have a Serbian trans...Please write if you happen to have a Serbian translation of Dune at hand. How was this segment translated there?Развигорhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11279352337204009526noreply@blogger.com